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homebrewdad
Charter Member
Birmingham, AL
2480 Posts


So, here's a working idea I have for a roggenbier. I want some seriously intense rye flavor, some spiciness from the hops, and some major banana esters from the yeast.

OG: 1.057
FG: 1.011
IBU: 17.9
SRM: 20.0

8 lbs rye malt (59.3%)
3 lbs German pilsner (22.2%) - I might even go floor malted
1 lb 8 oz caramel rye (11.1%)
12 oz caramunich (5.6%)
4 oz chocolate rye (1.9%) - mostly here for color

.5 oz Perle @ FWH (14.3 IBU)
.5 oz Perle @ flameout (3.9 IBU)

WLP300

Decoction mash (of course). Considering a slight underpitch, and an open ferment @ 72 F to really bring out the banana bomb.

So... crazy town?




Posted 34 days ago.

KidMoxie
Charter Member
San Elijo Hills, CA
405 Posts


Only 70% rye!? Pft!





Posted 34 days ago.

homebrewdad
Charter Member
Birmingham, AL
2480 Posts


lol... up from the 55% I did last time...




Posted 34 days ago.

ingoogni
nl
314 Posts


I would not do a decoction on rye beers as during the boil even more pentosans are released that are not broken down by enzymes. Pentosanases are active at ~ 45°C and denaturate quickly at higher temperature. Pentosans are the stuff that make the mash sticky. Single step mash low @64°C, don't mash out.




Posted 34 days ago.
Edited 34 days ago by ingoogni

testingapril
Charter Member
Atlanta, GA
595 Posts


Do eet!!

But skip the decoction.

Open fermentation definitely favors banana, as does higher temp. I'm making Rye IPA today or tomorrow, so we ought to trade a bottle or two.





Posted 34 days ago.

homebrewdad
Charter Member
Birmingham, AL
2480 Posts


Okay, no decoction. Rye can be sticky enough (even though I use the Brew Bag as a filter, so I'm not too worried). No other feedback?

I've never done an open fermentation before. I think that I need to pick up a bucket for that; from what I understand, my glass carboys don't work nearly as well for it.




Posted 34 days ago.

mchrispen
Bastrop, TX
485 Posts


Does a ferulic rest impact rye?




Posted 34 days ago.

testingapril
Charter Member
Atlanta, GA
595 Posts


I don't think you need a bucket. I think as long as you avoid blowoff (could be tough in 6.5 gals) you can use a carboy. But I guess traditional open fermenters do have completely open tops. But most of them are shallow and square too, so maybe that's important.





Posted 34 days ago.

homebrewdad
Charter Member
Birmingham, AL
2480 Posts


Not sure re: ferulic rest. I did a beta glucan rest the last time I did a 55% roggenbier, and I really didn't have the stickiness issues.. and that was before I saw the light and started using the Brew Bag.

I remember reading some stuff about open ferments, and the effect was way more pronounced in a bucket than a carboy. Perhaps due to the size of the opening?




Posted 34 days ago.

homebrewdad
Charter Member
Birmingham, AL
2480 Posts


Hmm. Looking back on my notes, I did a single decoction last time. Did a beta glucan rest @ 105 F, then decocted it. Now I'm back on board with it...




Posted 34 days ago.

homebrewdad
Charter Member
Birmingham, AL
2480 Posts


Hmm. Last year, all that I heard was how I should brew a beer with my competition's rules. I think that I'm going to edit this recipe a bit, swap the pilsner for vienna, and make it legal for BU 2016.

Too bad I can't enter!




Posted 34 days ago.

Necropaw
Charter Member
Central WI
608 Posts


Ive been meaning to ask you if you were planning on entering a beer.

Obviously you cant win prizes and stuff, but tbh i think you should have to go through the hell the rest of us are, and get a score and all that.

Would it really be that difficult (on the organization end) for you to submit a beer but then not be eligible to win?




Posted 34 days ago.

homebrewdad
Charter Member
Birmingham, AL
2480 Posts


As far as that goes, I could simply let the guys know after the judging. If my beer medaled, we could just skip it and go to the next one.

I'm pretty certain that I can't legally enter, even though I have zero influence on the judging (I don't come within hundreds of miles of a site).

I have considered entering under a pseudonym...




Posted 34 days ago.

Necropaw
Charter Member
Central WI
608 Posts


I mean, i just want you to suffer as much as the rest of us.

Do judges see names? I thought that was all blind. As long as the organizers on site know its you so you cant medal, i guess im not sure i see a reason why it wouldnt work.




Posted 34 days ago.

homebrewdad
Charter Member
Birmingham, AL
2480 Posts


Judges do not see names. When the site director unboxes your beer, that's the last time the name is associated with it. Your beer has a barcoded entry number, that's it. The judge knows that this is entry #351 and #7 of the style category, but that's it.

If I enter under a pseudonym, the site director wouldn't even know it was me to begin with. I would still recuse myself from being able to medal, but it would be cool to be judged...




Posted 34 days ago.

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