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ingoogni
nl
314 Posts


In Europe it is called CaraPils, in the US CaraFoam.

If you read a little German, poke around at hobbybrauer.de/forum/index.php You'll see they are not obsessed with "German brewing" although they are more hardware oriented than for example the British brewers who are more pragmatic.

Also, Germany has states, like the US and Bayern is one of them and certainly is not representative for the whole of Germany and Munich is not for Bayern and then there is Frankonia.

I don't understand this "mystification" of German beer and brewing, maybe had to much of the "bad" ones. In the basics it is just SMASH for all the paler versions and maybe two malts for the darker ones. Noble hops, maye even aged a bit to have the beta acids dominate and very thorough technical brewing. Belgian brewing is not that different, minimal ingredients (and sugar), good yeast, good process. Also in the UK you can get great ones. Just comparing in quality, a Spalter Helles is not better or worse than a Harvey's Sussex Best Bitter. Both very different beers, from a very different origin, of the highest standard, targeting the same audience. Both utterly balanced.






Posted 34 days ago.

mchrispen
Bastrop, TX
485 Posts


In Europe it is called CaraPils, in the US CaraFoam.

Yeah, it gets confusing because CaraPils in the US is a Briess product. Just wanted to clarify. Briess CaraPils is NOT the same thing as Weyermann CaraFoam.




Posted 34 days ago.

KidMoxie
Charter Member
San Elijo Hills, CA
405 Posts


Though Weyermann CaraFoam *is* the same as Weyermann CaraPils :)




Posted 34 days ago.

darthKOTOR
Sacramento, Ca
18 Posts


Kidmoxie, do you have any supporting evidence that they are the same? From what I understand carapils has no diastatic power, while carafoam does. 

I just would like to know because I am doing a 100% carafoam beer this upcoming sunday for shits and giggles. 

Side note: where the hell can I find chit/spitz malt? Ever since I saw Kris England's Munich Hell recipe using 100% spitz I have been wanting to try it. 




Posted 34 days ago.

KidMoxie
Charter Member
San Elijo Hills, CA
405 Posts


They are literally the same because Weyermann can't market their CaraPils as such in the US, so they changed the name to CaraFoam.




Posted 34 days ago.

chino_brews
Charter Member
Eden Prairie, MN
301 Posts


@darthKOTOR: What did Kris say about Spitz malt when you asked him seven months ago? I can't find any reference to Spitz malt anywhere else beyond the recipe and your questions. If you didn't get an answer, I can ask him for you.

BTW, I found Bestmalz chit malt at an online store in Oregon: http://www.brewbrothers.biz/Chit-Malt-German




Posted 34 days ago.

chino_brews
Charter Member
Eden Prairie, MN
301 Posts


@darthKOTOR: What did Kris say about Spitz malt when you asked him seven months ago? I can't find any reference to Spitz malt anywhere else beyond the recipe and your questions. If you didn't get an answer, I can ask him for you.

BTW, I found Bestmalz chit malt at an online store in Oregon: http://www.brewbrothers.biz/Chit-Malt-German




Posted 34 days ago.

testingapril
Charter Member
Atlanta, GA
595 Posts


Chicago Brew Works has it as well...only in 1# qty;s, but I'm sure if you called them they'd order a larger qty. They are my go-to for odd and specific grains. Their selection is incredible.

http://www.chicagobrewwerks.com/store/best-malz-chit-malt-1-lb/dp/1063




Posted 34 days ago.

Matt
Charter Member
Normal, IL
341 Posts


I love Chicago Brew Works, great selection, great customer service, fast shipping





Posted 34 days ago.

darthKOTOR
Sacramento, Ca
18 Posts


Wow, thanks for the resources guys.

@ Chino Brews. If you could pick his brain for a minute or two that'd be fantastic. I have seen pretty much 0 references to 100% spitz/chit beer fucking anywhere, outside of that one recipe. I have searched high and low. I reached out to Kris on twitter and then email, but didn't get a reply. I know he is a busy dude so I just never got around to buggin him about it again. 

@ KidMoxie, I am aware of the naming issues with Carapils, but they seem to be a different kind of malt. Breiss claims that there are no enzymes present, so no convertability, while some sources claim that Carafoam has a Kolbach index of 100-150. Fully self-convertable. 

I am just emailed Weyermann this morning about this issue, hope to hear from them soon.





Posted 34 days ago.

testingapril
Charter Member
Atlanta, GA
595 Posts


To sum up the Carapils/Carafoam situation

Weyermann CaraPils = Weyermann Carafoam

Weyermann CaraPils =/= Briess Carapils

Weyermann Carafoam =/= Briess Carapils

Does that help?

These equations would also mean that any and all properties of Weyermann CaraPils are exactly equal with those of Weyermann Carafoam.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:59 PM, darthKOTOR <listpost@brewunited.com> wrote:
Wow, thanks for the resources guys.

@ Chino Brews. If you could pick his brain for a minute or two that'd be fantastic. I have seen pretty much 0 references to 100% spitz/chit beer fucking anywhere, outside of that one recipe. I have searched high and low. I reached out to Kris on twitter and then email, but didn't get a reply. I know he is a busy dude so I just never got around to buggin him about it again.

@ KidMoxie, I am aware of the naming issues with Carapils, but they seem to be a different kind of malt. Breiss claims that there are no enzymes present, so no convertability, while some sources claim that Carafoam has a Kolbach index of 100-150. Fully self-convertable.

I am just emailed Weyermann this morning about this issue, hope to hear from them soon.



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Posted 34 days ago.

darthKOTOR
Sacramento, Ca
18 Posts


thunderdogbrewery.com/2016/04/13/weye...

A mini mash experiment I did between carafoam and carapils. 

Looks like I am doing a carafoam beer :)




Posted 34 days ago.

KidMoxie
Charter Member
San Elijo Hills, CA
405 Posts


Haha, nice!




Posted 34 days ago.

KidMoxie
Charter Member
San Elijo Hills, CA
405 Posts


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Posted 34 days ago.

rayfound
Charter Member
Riverside, CA
313 Posts


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